This meta came into my mind fully-formed last night. I couldn't wait to construct it, so here I am supervising a year 7 German extra gridding away! This is not intended to be a very difficult meta: consider it an "amuse-bouche" for the brain (which would make it an "amuse-cerveau"!) The answer to the meta is a numeral. Answer & explanation: https://www.xword-muggles.com/viewtopic.php?p=144911#p144911
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Berto 🤓13s · 2023-10-11T11:19:53.893Z
Not really my film genre but “figured” it out! Nice quick puzzle, thanks Ben!
While it is a pretty simple mechanism, there are other simple mechanisms that yield other roman numerals starting from the same observations. Took me a few tries :-)
I was hoping solvers would see the three entries that combine to form HOLIDAY and then know from the plus in the puzzle title to add the numbers of those entries together. Converting to a roman numeral (following the prompt and the hint in the clue for DO) would be the final step. However, I concede that there are a lot of other possible mechanisms that could be used!
And just in case anyone asks, I'm allowing the answer XXX, too: you get 30 from adding up all of the clue numbers anywhere in HO+LID+AY. I was hoping someone might notice why XX (and to a lesser extent XXX) are "appropriate" answers for an Italian-themed puzzle. ;-)
I think there wasn't any reason to add the clue entries. To do peck+Hepburn implied to add a number related to the actors and to add two of them. Sure the clues had numbers but even with the title there was no compelling reason to add them. I figured we needed to get the word ROMAN in the same way we did to get HOLIDAY and we get that by replacing LID with M to get the RO of 2D and the AN of 4D to spell ROMAn. Then the answer would be ONE THOUSAND as that is won't the Roman numeral M is.
Also I thought Roman numerals would be an earlier step. Not the last.
SamKat9 🤓1:30 · 2023-10-11T17:05:20.145Z
Neat puzzle, though I first guessed DLXXVIII (578) :D
Ergcat 🤓1:18 · 2023-10-12T04:18:41.197Z
Finally, that was very tricky. I knew from the start what you wanted but adding up the correct numbers was difficult for me.
Carolyn 3s · 2023-10-12T04:39:14.169Z
First tried the Roman numerals in the year the movie came out. Then tried the Roman numerals for the various Roman numerals in the grid answers. Never saw HOLIDAY hidden in the grid. Kicking myself! Clever...
I spotted the mystery word only after Googling "Peck and Hepburn", so I already had the movie title. When I entered the number 20, Crosshare rejected it, so that confused me and I didn't know what to try next. (I hadn't used Roman numerals) All to say, I didn't care much for this puzzle, Ben.
Slightly opposite for me. I knew roman numerals would be a part. I never found the number though. Adding just wasn't the natural obvious thing to do.
hoover 3s · 2023-10-12T05:20:28.215Z
I needed that fourth nudge. I already had the rest.
Laura M 🤓1:22 · 2023-10-12T08:28:06.635Z
The last nudge was not what I expected, although in retrospect I could have looked harder at the plus sign in the title. I knew the film was "Roman Holiday," but what could the numeral be? The movie year? After some staring I saw HOLIDAY in the grid, and also RO AN with similar symmetrical positioning, so I thought that the missing Roman numeral M had to be the answer! Oh well, it was a fun puzzle and a good movie.
I was absolutely certain this puzzle was about vehicles... between the absolutely impenetrable (to me) clue for LONEO (and Google only helped once I figured out where to add a space), which is evidently a SEDAN... and the Wikipedia plot summary tells me Roman Holiday features a Vespa... Yup, I was way deep in the wrong rabbit hole.
Meg 3s · 2023-10-12T12:12:19.522Z
Those nudges really helped! I was on the right track yesterday, but hadn’t considered the last step.
boharr 3s · 2023-10-12T12:14:15.708Z
Add? I have to add? Is that fair? LOL The missing M in the middle (ROMAN) threw me.
MatthewL 🤓1:46 · 2023-10-12T14:12:03.215Z
Well, I had the right idea (adding and Roman numerals), but never saw HOLIDAY in the grid. Instead, I just added up the various numerals in the grid -- C, L, L, I, D etc. -- and tried that. Tried dozens of combinations (because my Roman math ain't great). Nice puzzle (once you see it). Thanks Ben!
whimsy 🤓1:39 · 2023-10-12T14:52:59.191Z
Saw HOLIDAY yesterday and was trying all sorts of related things, including the clue # addition route -- And though I was bouncing between words and numbers, arabic and roman, I must have somehow missed entering this particular version. Dang! Thanks for the puzzle, Ben. We are amused.
ReB 3s · 2023-10-12T16:40:35.308Z
Well, with the help of the nudges and a bit of pondering, I soon saw 5[HO] + 7[LID] + 8[AY] = 20 = XX as the most economical possible answer (especially since XX has a single numeral "X" repeated twice).
But this is where the semantics of your puzzle prompt (emphasized in nudge 3) tripped me up a bit. When you said that I would need a numeral, not a number - and given that XX has two "X" numerals, I assumed the answer was going to be simply "X". When that came back wrong, then decided to try "XX" and hope by "numeral" you meant "the sum expressed in Roman numerals". Not sure where I would have gone next if that had been wrong as well. It didn't seem likely with the Roman themes that you wanted 2 or 0 (or how I would know which might be correct).
Ingenious variant on a Roman numerals mechanism via the classic move reference.
KayW 🤓2:23 · 2023-10-12T18:14:34.845Z
I got the "Roman Holiday" theme early and was trying every number I could think of, both Arabic and Roman. Every number but the correct one, LOL. Somehow the grid entry numbers didn't occur to me. Fun all the same - thanks!
merlinnimue 🤓1:24 · 2023-10-12T19:45:38.068Z
A puzzle that just comes to you fully formed... along with a "not... very difficult meta" that was nigh impossible even with blatant nudges... Ben out here showing how such an intellectual giant towers over the rest of us... or at least definitely over tiny minds like mine... sorry for poking in where I surely don't belong, from now on if I do intrude ill try to sit in the back quietly and try desperately to learn something... anything... futile hope springs eternal
Well FINALLY. I saw HOLIDAY in the first couple of minutes. I didn’t think to add up those clue numbers, instead I tried to add in the M which was the only letter (numeral) missing from ROMAN. The when the clues came out I was adding the A and Y separately- dumb. I’m afraid I do not see how the title figures in except to nudge towards adding? Is 20 significant in some other context?
The title is playing double duty: it should point you to Roman Holiday since the two actors were famously paired in it. But the "+" was supposed to indicate "addition". A bit too subtle, perhaps!
XX has an additional application which no one has commented on yet!
Deb W 🤓2:25 · 2023-10-24T03:16:43.541Z
Coming back here - got distracted! I saw the movie, saw all the parts of Holiday in the puzzle. What stopped me was a very picky point (former math teacher here, sorry!) -- to me, the I, V, X, L, C, D, M are Roman numerals. And 2 and 0 are numerals e.g. But 20 is a number expressed as a combination of two numerals. Similarly, XX to me is a number expressed in Roman numeral notation. Since the answer wasn't the missing letter (M) and I tried the remaining Roman (and Arabic, just to be sure) numerals, I gave up and saved it for later. And got distracted. Anyway, I'm not here to say you're wrong or anything, just to say that there may have been others who thought about it the same way, so it may help to know what stumbling blocks people have come across. Really enjoy your puzzles, and this was great, but I couldn't get there!