The answer to 38-Across tells you what you'll need to find.
The answer to 63-Down is not just some random fill.
What do the Rihanna and ZZ Top song titles have in common?
The meta answer is eight letters.
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Cindy Heisler 1s · about 2 years ago
Finally! A couple wrong submissions and then when I submitted Barrie and that was wrong, I was really confused. I put it down and when I came back I noticed the J and M. A very enjoyable puzzle even if I did need Google for some of the grid. Thanks, Peter and Wendy. Oh my gosh! Peter and Wendy -- it just hit me. Who better to construct a meta about Peter Pan!
And here I thought that it was just the RUDE/RABBLE (instead of DUDE/DABBLE) that was the tie in to Peter. But soooo cool. Peter and Wendy. I'm surprised you didn't try to sneak in Nana.
Even "Darling," one might say! Glad you spotted that, Meg!
hoover 2s · about 2 years ago
I saw the PAN and Peter and Wendy and THE LOST BOYS and just started plugging in various Peter Pan-related names until one of them worked. I still have no idea about the metanism. I tried James Barrie before I remembered he went by his initials.
All the boys are singular-- read the clue: Rihanna's "Rude Boy" hit #1, and ZZ Top "Rough Boy" peaked at #22.
whimsy 17:45 · about 2 years ago
I was really liking Barrie from the start but ART, LES, AL, MAC, LOU, ED, LEE, YUL, COSMO(?!) weren't getting me there. Then saw the JERSEY, MAMAS, etc. connection -- but those ALOU boys knocked me off kilter for a bit! :) Wonderful the way the whole Neverland theme tied together in a rather meta way!
Loved the puzzle. 15A (Meta)DATA had me going for a minute. Then the M & E had me thinking SMEE for a sec. THEN the double J (JERSEY/JOS) confused me, but JMBarrie panned out. Nice challenge; thanks.
I too jumped the gun and guessed Peter Pan just from the title, constructors, and one long entry. It took some tinkering around in the grid to find the missing boys. Now that the picture is clear, I wonder why I never before noticed the family resemblance between Peter and Mary Martin.
Bird Lives 4s · about 2 years ago
Also, FWIW, when I was in my twenties I had a girlfriend whose father's cousin was Peter Pan, i.e., the kid Barrie based the character on.
Meg 2s · about 2 years ago
Ha ha!!
Teamdoubletow 6s · about 2 years ago
Woohoo! You are perfect collaborators for this one. Glad we didn't have to walk the plank!
Got stuck in the rabbit hole that every letter of the alphabet appeared in the grid except for W... you know, the Wendy Walker W. How could that not be a thing??? Next rabbit hole? Deep dive on all the variations of names of the Lost Boys... one pair is referred to as The Twins, and with BAMBAM, YESYES, YAYA symmetrically placed at the top - along with 12 other pairs - surely that's a thing, no?? Needed the nudges (dang it!) but thoroughly enjoyed the journey. Thanks, Peter and Wendy!
I guess I was 2/3 of the way there since monday. I saw Pan, Hook, and the Lost boys and submitted Peter Pan early (although I knew I had to be more to it). I looked for boys name but couldn't find any that didn't seem coincidental. The Meta-data clue was more convincing then the Peter pan one so I tried pursuing that-- looking at clues that refer to data infomation or the clues themselves but that was too vague.
Being told on Tues that 38A was important I notice JERSEY BOY and MAMAS BOY and following that I got the letters JMBIE and could make any sense out of it.
I'm afraid I have never heard of RUDE BOY or ROUGH BOY.
I had tried considering other names of male characters of Peter Pan but Tootles, Nibs, Slightly, or Curly seemed to weak to carry a puzzle.
Reading Wednesdays nudges and seeing R's I figured maybe I could try the JM Barrie as it hadn't occurred to me and it seemed to fit with the JMBIE. Altar boy just eluded me in the natural ways.
Very cute that the constructors were Peter and Wendy. That had escaped me.
jeez loueez I made that hard. Peter or Peter Pan was my first WAG based on the title and 38a alone. It took me forever to find all the lost boys in the puzzle. Very clever.
And what an appropriate theme from Wendy and Peter!
Ay sir, hoisted on my own petard! Well done Peter and Wendy! I told Peter on Monday that I detected a distinct J. M. Barrie flavor - not knowing that was ultimately the answer.