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Ultimate Statesmen

· By Chris Barbee · Published 2023-06-05T11:30:55.807Z

Meta Prompt
The meta answer is the location of a well-known national park.
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  • kurtalert 9:07 · 2023-06-05T16:16:54.541Z
    This was great! Took me a minute to know where to go once I noticed the state abbreviations at the ends of the big answers. I think CT/CUT being physically close together clued me in to the connection. Thanks for the puzzle!
    • Carolyn 4s · 2023-06-05T17:10:47.835Z
      Had to submit multiple permutations of the same answer before it got accepted! Very nice
      • MatthewL 🤓9:06 · 2023-06-05T17:16:03.739Z
        Nice one, Chris! Went down a couple of bunny holes before finding the mechanism. Just the right kind of hard for a Monday!
        • Pair O Ducks 🤓9:00 · 2023-06-05T17:05:51.570Z
          This was fun! I had a hunch what the answer was early on, but just couldn't see how to get there. Funny what happens when you give it a couple hours and then come back!
          • DrTom 3s · 2023-06-05T17:53:04.830Z
            So I tired MOUNT RUSHMORE, MT RUSHMORE and (fumble fingers) RUSHNORE before I finally got it right. You threw me for a bit of a loop when the U was out of sequence, but the letters were all there and that park was of course the perfect answer. I saw the "ultimate (end) states" pretty quick, but deciding what to do with them was the trick.; their first letters spelled nothing, their last letters spelled nothing, they have either more than one or no national parks to take letters from...what to do, what to do. Then I saw NEE and ASK and MOE etc. and said, "Why that sly little bourbon quaffer!" Nice one Chris, classic mechanism, enjoyed it immensely.
            • Tyrpmom 1s · 2023-06-05T18:20:57.692Z
              Well Done!
              • KayW 🤓9:00 · 2023-06-05T19:07:02.569Z
                Very nice puzzle Chris! But wow did I try to make that hard. First I wrote out all the state names. Looked at their last letters. Tried to see if there was one famous National Park in each (some had none, some had multiple). Looked up capital cities. Looked up governors. Checked to see if there was one obvious founder for each state. FINALLY thought to look back at the grid.
                • Bird Lives 3s · 2023-06-05T19:29:24.560Z
                  I was looking for the endings of the names of the guys (statesmen) in the picture, but in my dotage, I've forgotten who was in the Virginia Assembly. Fortunately, Plan B was more successful.
                  • hoover 2s · 2023-06-05T20:17:03.010Z
                    Whoa! It's only after you wander through the states and come up with the final answer that you see why the title says "statesmen"!
                    • Meg 5s · 2023-06-05T20:18:41.149Z
                      At one point, while out walking the dog, I wondered if we were supposed to find a 2-word national park that followed the same pattern. Fortunately, no.
                      • hoover 2s · 2023-06-05T20:19:57.587Z
                        I saw the letters hiding in some of the 3LW between state abbreviations long before I saw the state abbreviations in the ultimate positions. :D DRE DE R, ASK AK S, MMA MA M, NEE NE E. But RSME didn't mean anything so I went a different direction, only to circle back around to my initial idea.
                        • Mwoychick 🤓14:02 · 2023-06-05T22:53:55.559Z
                          Thanks for the puzzle! Very enjoyable
                          • Bbaack 14:20 · 2023-06-05T22:51:12.211Z
                            That was a nice piece of construction; well-done!
                            • Cindy Heisler 2s · 2023-06-06T00:31:06.045Z
                              I had Mount Rushmore just from the title, but couldn't see how to get it. Even after getting all the states, it took me a while to see the 3 letter words they went with. Very nice meta. Thanks, Chris!
                              • woozy 13:58 · 2023-06-06T04:11:03.287Z
                                I think I told myself twice "no, he can't be doing that". Ah, but he was.
                                • Mikey G 6:50 · 2023-06-06T15:55:17.872Z
                                  If I'm running late, I'll have to RUSHMORE. Well done!
                                  • HeadinHome 🤓3:13 · 2023-06-06T16:02:50.232Z
                                    Submitted SD and South Dakota before the Mount Rushmore success. I’m sure many others did as well.
                                    Once I saw all the state abbreviations at the ends of the words (oh…. ULTIMATE!) then I spent some time figuring out what to do with those. Is there exactly one national park in each state? (no). Does each have a man governor? Does each have exactly one male senator? Did exactly one president come from each? (no, no, and no). Then looked back and noticed CUT and DRE right there near CT and DE. One hiccup was I circled the R in MAR for the MA one. Did others do that? (That unneeded “MA+” 3-letter could have been changed to MUR by making SWAIN be STAIN, and WRATH be TRUTH, no?). Anyhoo… great challenge and fun solve!
                                    • Chris Barbee constructor · 2023-06-06T17:42:13.468Z
                                      The solution for MA actually is 37A, MMA. :-)
                                      • HeadinHome 🤓3:13 · 2023-06-09T16:14:16.790Z
                                        yes - that’s what I used, of the two choices (MAR or MMA could work for MA, but only MMA made the solution work).
                                    • Ergcat 15:00 · 2023-06-06T23:05:29.196Z
                                      I was looking for the location ( ie the state it was located in???) But South Dakato wasn’t right so I tried Mt Rushmore, it was correct. Very well done, Chris!
                                      • Qmark 3s · 2023-06-07T01:32:19.701Z
                                        Nice puzzle...thanks Chris!
                                        • BarbaraK 2s · 2023-06-07T03:03:59.263Z
                                          For a moment, I wondered if there was another layer. Roosevelt was the ultimate president on Rushmore, so the answer must be the Theodore Roosevelt National Park in North Dakota, right? But that seemed pretty flimsy compared to how solid the rest was. Nice puzzle!
                                          • rjy 2s · 2023-06-07T05:18:51.812Z
                                            Missed the “ultimate” = “end”, so I also had PA and GA to deal with as well, but RUSHMORE was pretty clear as the letters emerged. Really enjoyed this challenge!
                                            • whimsy 12:02 · 2023-06-07T12:14:26.401Z
                                              Went through just about all that others have mentioned -- just took my time about doing so. :-)
                                              This was terrific, Chris! Downright National Treasure! Thanks!
                                              • Capn Rick 15:55 · 2023-06-07T12:29:59.547Z
                                                Finally got it! Nice job, Chris! I was doing the same thing rjy was doing with PA and GA. Gotta pay closer attention to the instructions next time!
                                                • Laura M 🤓10:02 · 2023-06-07T18:50:05.442Z
                                                  Kicking myself that I needed the hints! I went through pretty much everything that @KayW mentioned, except for finding the real path on my own. Also I was 100% sure the answer would be a state, so I submitted South Dakota first, and still think that should have been accepted :-)
                                                  • michaelm 🤓16:44 · 2023-06-07T21:00:40.565Z
                                                    Like to state that solving gave a rush more exhilarating than most, even with the nudges. Thanks Chris!
                                                    • Allie 🤓14:51 · 2023-06-08T19:08:17.029Z
                                                      Fun puzzle! I haven't solved too many meta-puzzles so I didn't figure it out and had to piece together how to get to the answer from all of your comments, which was helpful. I do have a quibble, though--when I was looking for hints in the puzzle, I was looking for things like Yosemite Valley, Yellowstone, maybe Glacier or Acadia....actual national parks. Mt Rushmore, while a national memorial run by the National Park Service, is not a national park. Sure, sometimes people use this term to refer to anything under the purview of NPS, but I found the hint "well-known national park" to be pretty misleading. Would you clue the Lincoln Memorial a "well-known national park"? It has the same designation.
                                                      • Chris Barbee constructor · 2023-06-09T01:31:16.840Z
                                                        Legit quibble Allie. Apologies!
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                                                      Across
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                                                        Rap Dr.
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                                                        After-bath powder
                                                      3. 8A
                                                        "____ Me", 1964 Elvis song that was the B-side of "Ain't That Loving You Baby"
                                                      4. 11A
                                                        The first was to "certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay"
                                                      5. 12A
                                                        Biblical birthright seller
                                                      6. 13A
                                                        Extend, as for a subcription
                                                      7. 16A
                                                        Commercial agreement among countries
                                                      8. 18A
                                                        Father of the oldest man in the Bible
                                                      9. 19A
                                                        "Interesting..."
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                                                        Tobacco product generally placed between your cheek and gums
                                                      11. 21A
                                                        Opposite of "good lad"
                                                      12. 22A
                                                        First half of the name of a legendary rock band, whose hits include "Kashmir"
                                                      13. 23A
                                                        Bale binder
                                                      14. 25A
                                                        Beau
                                                      15. 28A
                                                        Action pinnacle of a story
                                                      16. 32A
                                                        Advocate
                                                      17. 33A
                                                        Meat cut, or a terrible golf shot
                                                      18. 34A
                                                        Meat preparation
                                                      19. 35A
                                                        Fold, spindle or mutilate
                                                      20. 36A
                                                        Literally, "dwarf dog"
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                                                        Cage sport, for short
                                                      22. 38A
                                                        Absorbed, as a cost
                                                      23. 39A
                                                        Handy
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                                                        Swabs, or heads of unkempt hair
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                                                        Doggie toy to improve dental health
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                                                        "For ____" (the part of the wedding vows that many people don't really mean)
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                                                        Celebrity chef Eddie
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                                                        "A pox on you!"
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                                                        Proprietors of "gentlemen's clubs"
                                                      30. 50A
                                                        ___ Grove Village, Ill.
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                                                        "Malcolm X" director
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                                                        Good times, bad times (also a hit song by 22 Across)
                                                      33. 55A
                                                        Deeds, dice, tokens, chance cards and currency in a Monopoly game, e.g.
                                                      34. 58A
                                                        It forms a pejorative term when preceding the word "ball"
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                                                        x or y on a graph
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                                                        Finger, in a way
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                                                        Born, in bios
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                                                        "Little Women" woman
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                                                        "Don't give up!"
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                                                        Quad building
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                                                        Enlarge, as a hole
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                                                        Antiquity, in antiquity
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                                                        Halfhearted
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                                                        "By yesterday!"
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                                                        Anita Brookner's "Hotel du ___"
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                                                        Director's cry
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                                                        "I know who you ___, ___ I saw what you did"; slight twist on the central dialogue from a 1965 movie starring Joan Crawford and John Ireland.
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                                                        Shipper
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                                                        Door feature
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                                                        Highest degree?
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                                                        "A Theory of Semiotics" author
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                                                        "___ me?"
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                                                        "Our Time in ___" (10,000 Maniacs album)
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                                                        Biscuit, in Perth
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                                                        Deception
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                                                        Making a mad dash
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                                                        Accomplish by hook or by crook
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                                                        Poison plant
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                                                        Anger
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                                                        Acquiesce
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                                                        Light particle
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                                                        Knight's "suit"
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                                                        Childhood ailment
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                                                        Belittle
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                                                        Breathes deeply?
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                                                        "The Simpsons" bartender
                                                      28. 42D
                                                        "_______ worry?", Alfred E. Neuman
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                                                        Delicious, to a cutesee toddler
                                                      30. 44D
                                                        Collaborative Web project
                                                      31. 46D
                                                        Blood partner
                                                      32. 47D
                                                        "___ Doubtfire"
                                                      33. 48D
                                                        Feel under the weather
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                                                        Knock off, mob style
                                                      35. 50D
                                                        Give off, as light
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                                                        "Laughable Lyrics" writer
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                                                        Prize since 1949
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                                                        Utica to Albany dir.
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                                                        Blah-blah-blah
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                                                        Can
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                                                        Atlanta-based station
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