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· By benchen71 · Published 2022-03-02T08:00:27.403Z

Meta Prompt
The answer to the meta is a mathematician
This puzzle came to me as I tried to fall asleep one night. This sort of thing has happened before, and when I get up the next morning to construct the grid I very quickly discover that what my sleep-deprived brain thought would work, doesn't in fact hold together in the cold, hard, light of day. But this one actually did work, much to my surprise! Good luck finding the answer to the meta, which is a mathematician. Answer and explanation: https://www.xword-muggles.com/viewtopic.php?p=85385#p85385
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  • Wendy S HeadinHome 22:03 · 2022-03-02T13:14:54.166Z
    That was challenging! Grid was tough, but following the directions took some brain fuel too (more coffee!). Once I figured out where to start (clever clues!), I was able to get around correctly for the most part (with one brief hiccup that had me sure we were starting PTOLEMY… but that map took me nowhere - ha ha). Back on track when I re-thought that second clue. I still don’t know where the last letter comes from. Will wait to see the reveal to figure out what I missed! I am NOT a maths fan, but this was fun!
    • I K Snamhcok 2s · 2022-03-02T14:59:14.694Z
      Beauty! My wife, a retired math teacher, helped me get started.
      • Capn Rick 🤓9:20 · 2022-03-02T14:52:25.345Z
        Fun mechanism, Ben!
        • rjy 21:32 · 2022-03-02T16:10:09.959Z
          My first answer - knowingly incorrect - was PYTHAGOROA. Unless I misstepped, following the slope from G thru the origin and then continuing to complete the right triangle, you go over 2 down 1 to R, over 2 down 1 to O, over 2 down 1 to A. Not sure what the more precise path would have been for the last two letters: pAStas or pastAS? Or maybe I was completely off and still stumbled into the correct answer??
          Anyhoo - once again, a clever concept... thanks Ben!
          • benchen71 constructor · 2022-03-02T21:39:21.073Z
            To pick up the R-A-S, you complete the triangle shape. The A is at one vertex, and the S is collected heading back towards the starting P.
            • rjy 21:32 · 2022-03-03T02:45:27.057Z
              Aaaaaah, I didn't consider that it was the S on the way back. My bad, but still a very cool concept, Ben. Thanks for explaining!
              • woozy 11:58 · 2022-03-05T23:33:04.379Z
                Okay.... wait... Let me see if I've got this? The triangle has the three vertices of 1) the G at 23, 2) the A where pastAs intersects kenyA, and 3) the H at 54. We are to start at the P at 59 (as the origin is to O in MOI, so the P at 59 is (2,-3)). we skip the blank square to get the Y at 58, we skip over the A to get the T and 57. Now I misunderstood the instructions and that when you said "Three squares" that you meant we had done three squares and not that we were to skip three more square (blank, the G at 56, the E at 55) to land on the H at 54. That was on me and my mistake. But now the instructions are "You have (gone) through one of these, so jump up to the other one". I am supposed to interpret this as we go up the second side at a right angle? and go to the A where xAxis meets galAs? How was I suppose to interpret it that way? Because the "one of these" refers to y axis so I have to jump to the x axis which is an A directly above me? Then I continue going two squares to the G. I suppose if I know I am supposed to be spelling PYTHAGORAS and I had managed to interpret instruction 3 (which I could only do through the most obscure back-solving) it works. Step 5 Visiting the origin was clear that we had to go to the O in MOI but it was hard to figure out how that find in with in any of the paths we were doing. It only works after I back engineered step 3 and realize our start point, the P and (2,-3) was NOT a vertex of the triangle at all. Then continuing the slope of the hypotenuse of -1/2 and going right 2 and down 1 the next two letters are R, A and we are now at the third vertex, the A where pastAs intersect kenyA. The final S is to go left to fill in the missing spot on the first side (the S in paSta). Is that correct?
                • benchen71 constructor · 2022-03-06T00:49:00.765Z
                  I think so. Apologies if step 3 was less clear than it might have been. But yes, since you have already stopped on the yaxis, you now have to go directly up and stop on the xaxis. Having both these words in the grid was doubly significant: they indicate the grid system, but they both provide a letter for the answer.
                  • dplass 8:50 · 2022-03-07T13:58:30.981Z
                    This.
            • boharr 4s · 2022-03-02T15:58:18.473Z
              This was a foreign language to me.
              • dplass 8:50 · 2022-03-03T01:11:23.409Z
                I still don't even know where to start. Luckily crosshare is lenient.
              • Chaddog 19:46 · 2022-03-02T15:54:06.802Z
                Great idea, Ben! I definitely backsolved to see where the last few letters come from. All in all, fun puzzle
                • RPardoe 🤓1:23 · 2022-03-02T15:52:24.032Z
                  Guessed the answer after 2 letters, now to do the actual solve.
                  • DIS 🤓6:54 · 2022-03-02T16:14:15.780Z
                    Very nicely done! Great to see a math puzzle.
                    • Cindy Heisler 2s · 2022-03-02T16:28:27.374Z
                      Amazing that some of my past math knowledge actually stuck with me! Nice one.
                      • woozy 11:58 · 2022-03-02T17:02:47.173Z
                        Fun puzzle and enjoyable. But to be honest I couldn't follow your instructions past the second step. But the answer was very clear once you had the first four letters.
                        • dplass 8:50 · 2022-03-03T16:42:36.028Z
                          Same, and I still don't quite understand the 2nd step...
                        • whimsy 15:27 · 2022-03-02T18:23:41.348Z
                          A little dicey for me at the end but close enough to get there! Thanks, Ben!
                          • Johnny Luau 2s · 2022-03-02T19:30:05.272Z
                            Very clever!
                            • Laura M 🤓10:12 · 2022-03-02T20:49:42.632Z
                              Very nicely constructed! Although I agree with another commenter that I didn't quite see how the last two letters were supposed to work. The rest of the letters were enough though... actually the first two letters were enough :-)
                              • Charles Montpetit 🤓1:39 · 2022-03-08T18:20:00.840Z
                                I had absolutely no problem with 28a's clue, because I interpreted it to mean "You have already gone right through one A (between the Y and the T), so you must now go straight up to another A (in X-AXIS).
                                • benchen71 constructor · 2022-03-09T00:28:36.013Z
                                  I guess that works, too!
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                                1. The ___ answer starts at (2, -3)
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                                Across
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                                  1. The ___ answer starts at (2, -3)
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                                  Something associated with life and lemons
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                                  2. Go left, jumping one, then another, and then ___ squares, collecting letters as you go
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                                  Objective
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                                  Actor who sang a duet with Nicole entitled "Come What May"
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                                  Movie about Keyser Soze, "The ___ Suspects"
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                                  "Ah yes, but does it pass the ___?"
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                                  One of a 1492 trio
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                                  What there are eight of in a coxed eight
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                                  Jennifer Lopez hit, "___ Funny"
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                                  Feature of marriages between older men and (much) younger women
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                                  Shrill bark
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                                  3. You have ___ through one of these, so jump up to the other one
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                                  Parts of an Eisenhower Jacket that are wide
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                                  Got together
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                                  Musk of SpaceX fame
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                                  Scottish author, ___ M. Banks, of "The Culture" series of sci-fi novels
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                                  Tennis player, Naomi ___
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                                  Horizontal graph line
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                                  Miss Piggy's favourite pronoun
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                                  Thesaurus author
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                                  Thus far
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                                  "Are you ___ out?" (Charlie's question to Rob in "High Fidelity")
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                                  Late-night host, Jay ___
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                                  Brain scan, for short
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                                  Word derived from a name
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                                  4. Continue moving in the same direction, jumping two squares to land on ___
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                                  What to put sugar in, according to the old song "Drill, Ye Tarriers, Drill"
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                                  Rigatoni and linguini, for two
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                                  The one with the seven evil exes in "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" (and a really cool song by Beck)
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                                  Elvis' middle name
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                                  Bring together
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                                  Being
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                                  Legal wrongs
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                                  Sigourney Weaver movie, "Gorillas in the ___"
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                                  Bro and sis
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                                  5. Of course you need to ___ the Origin
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                                  Takes advantage of
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                                  6. Follow the shape you have been creating, collecting the ___ 9 across letters of the answer as you go (because, by now you must know what the answer is!)
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                                  British sports cars
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                                  Long, long time (US spelling)
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                                  Deep red-brown Pacific sea bream, eaten as a delicacy in Japan
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                                  "Alien Life Form" (for short)
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                                  Fraternity founded at NYU in 1847
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                                  Oft-painted porcelain jug
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                                  Impertinent
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                                  Substance originally used as a yellow dye (its potential as an explosive was not recognized for three decades, mainly because it was too difficult to detonate)
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                                  Indigenous Brazilian people group, one of the most numerous before colonisation
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                                  Founder of the Fo Guang Shan Buddhist order, ___ Yun
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                                  Bryan Adams song, "___ You"
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                                  Dine at home
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                                  Delight
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                                  Young horse
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                                  Imitate
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                                  Disembodied voice of Amazon devices
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                                  Black-tie affairs
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                                  Strong adhesive
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                                  Robin Williams' "Aladdin" character
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                                  Prenatal test, for short
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                                  Craggy peak
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                                  Friend, south of the border, down Mexico way
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                                  Lithium-___ battery
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                                  Shredding opportunities, for a lead guitarist
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                                  Maxwell Smart, for example
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                                  Country in which you can find the Great Rift Valley
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                                  Building blocks of everything
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                                  Ile ___-Helene, an island in the St. Lawrence river
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                                  Shares again, on social media
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                                  Greek vowel
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                                  Emulate a hot dog
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                                  "Impractical Jokers" airer
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                                  Mathematical puzzle, "Towers of ___" (that has a nifty recursive solution, if you're interested)
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                                  Dubai dignitaries
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                                  Titular role for Travolta in which he played a mob boss in a movie that was nominated for six Razzies
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                                  Vertical graph line
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                                  Bird's construction
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                                  Numerator in the gradient formula
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                                  Bird on the Australian coat of arms
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                                  Subj. for immigrants, often
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                                  "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" writer, ___ Vardalos (and did you know there's a third movie planned?)
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                                  "Survivor" network
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                                  Part of i.e.
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