I use this puzzle's metanism frequently when trying to solve meta puzzles, but usually it goes nowhere fast. This one, I hope, will be a happy exception.
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Hector 🤓6:08 · più di un anno fa
Nice!.Took me a while even after solving to discern the exact mechanism that excludes extra "fourth wheels" (have to be third letters). Thanks!
My solve was complicated by the 4-letter words that can be formed by adding a letter in the first position (eg. ENT -> SENT, EAT -> SEAT, TOE -> OTOE and ONE -> TONE). But once I got all the 3-letter words laid out in order it didn't take me too long! Fun puzzle, Wendy. :-)
I missed HOPE for HOE and used OTOE for TOE and TONE for ONE. That gave me LUSOOTE which anagrammed to LOSE OUT. I should have been more critical of that. I now see that the "third wheel" made the fourth letter. Fun stuff.
I guess I'll have to change my name to Supertramp because I "Took the long way home". I started out noticing all of the three letter words that had VERY similar 4 letter counterparts...and that is where the train started to derail. I guess I should have been suspicious when I got one of them OTOE and TONE that could have gone either way, but I tacked that up to perhaps an error in proofing (silly me, whose puzzle was this, proofing error, NOT LIKELY). Had I looked I probably would have seen more like SEAT and SENT, and I HOPE I would have gone..."hey, wait a minute there are some with the new letter in exactly the same position!" Unfortunately I needed the nudges to tell me that. I still struggled because I was doing it in an Excel spreadsheet, not the Grid and I jsut took the letters and ran them through an anagram solver that, unfortunately only returns single words. Finally I did it by sight and got ONE PLUS which of course made all kinds of sense, but when Crosshare told me "WRONG" the old PLUS ONE on an invite came to mind. Nice mechanism and nice fill.
Glad you got there in the end, Dr. Tom! Thanks for solving!
ReB 3s · più di un anno fa
Very tidy now that I can see that the fourth letter is added to the space between the second and third letter of the three letter starters, which also restores the symmetry that I wasn't finding originally. I got distracted by words formed by additions to the first position: OTOE, SENT, SEAT. Well done.
I got hung up on looking for “wheels” akin to the Pandora’s boxes from a few weeks back. Went back to basics and suddenly a list appeared. OSLUNEP didn’t look quite right, but aha - in order of the three letter words, voila!
Thank you WW!
I was just SURE the “wheel” referred to O’s!! In one progression, you kept adding an O to the mix of letters until you had 4… like tOe, OtOe, OtOOle… so was I supposed to come up with a word that added to all these letters without scrambling them, and including at least one more O/wheel? Hmm… now that’s a challenge for a bunch of muggles… anyone? Well of course that’s not the meta, because it would need to be way more than 7 letters… so how about that odd clue “go ON and ON, often in mONotONe”? FOUR on’s? Now that is suspicious. There are a ton of ONs in the grid… why? Also there are a lot of ONEs… and several clues contain “one,” “one’s,” “once.” And the on/one entries in the grid are almost always in a cluster with T’s. Is there a configuration that is repeated 7 times, and in each there’s a fourth letter hanging out in the same position in the configuration? Sent all this to Wendy, showing her the math, and she kindly told me to stop thinking so hard… just look for 3’s that get a fourth, and always in the same position. (Which is kind of what I was doing, but way too fancy.) Fun challenge, and I got several good meta ideas along the way!
Needed today's nudge, which I shall blame on the beer festival I went to yesterday (even though, ahem, I worked on the puzzle for quite a bit before that). :)
I was hung up on looking for quartets initially, and then the table image had me looking for letters surrounding a central letter, etc. Very fun stuff in the end, thanks!
The image is from a wedding Mark and I attended in June -- distantly related to the "Plus One" answer. That's me in the mushroom dress, next to Mark. Mark's handsome son is in the back row near us.
Laura M 🤓5:18 · più di un anno fa
I don't think I've ever tried this mechanism! Needed all the hints to apply it correctly.
Whew! You had me quite stymied for some time, Wendy, and I really needed that second story, but that was fine since I do like quirkiness! Couldn't discover the order mechanism and had to brute force the answer from the letters; anagram solver wasn't going to work since it was a 7-letter answer, not 7-letter word. Even afterwards, I had a tough time back-solving for the order. But wow! The 3-letter words were all symmetric and you doubled back to them to provide the order! So intricate and just a dandy puzzle! Thanks a bunch!
What's weird is that I was trying to come up with the usual nudges and the idea of doing a little story just came to me. I tried to come up with a follow-up story for the third nudge about how to put the letters in the correct order but it just wasn't working. It went off on a clumsy
tangent about how the waiter presented the bill to the Muggles and they noticed that their food and beverages were listed in some kind of weird order ...
Hello and thanks so much for asking! The nudges and the "reveal" are on the Muggle Forum at https://www.xword-muggles.com/viewtopic.php?t=2396.
The trick was to find 3-letter words in the grid and turn them into 4-letter words in the grid by adding a letter in the third position. Those added letters, when arranged based on the grid order of the 3-letter words, spell out the meta answer, PLUS ONE.